Posts by Anony Mous

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Predictions for the next decade?

by jehovaxx in

as it’s nearly the new year my prediction over the next decade or so will see the sense of urgency dwindle.

then some huge huge changes.

for example by 2034 in a decades time, they will have address the 1914 issue and will come out and say we can’t be dogmatic.

Anony Mous

@jehovaxx: they used to, but nowadays they count any warm body.

I remember back in the day when it was only baptized members with at least 8-10 hours of service for 3 consecutive months.

Then it was all baptized members that were active (10h) in service at least that month.

Then they included active children of baptized members (and we were so excited to turn in our own hour counting form, at least until we became older teenagers)

Then unbaptized publishers got their reports included.

Eventually the service hours got dropped to 2

Then you just had to come to the meetings regularly

Then the service hours dropped completely.

Now I guess they count anyone that ever shows up.

Back in the day surveys showed 2x number of people that reported being a JW vs what the WTBTS reported number of JW to be. Today it’s much closer.

So it depends on what your definition of “growth” is. Same number of bodies, counted differently. In 1995 there was 1 Jehovah's Witness for every 294 people, but by 2023 it had fallen to 1 in 379.

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WAR begins.

by lastmanstanding in

things are moving right along.

“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.

this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.

Anony Mous

Begins? The war with Iran started on October 6th 2023. Trump warned them just last week what would happen if they don’t stop developing the nukes.

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Is Watchtower letting Ukrainian draftees flap in the wind without legal assistance?

by Balaamsass2 in

is this like the situation in mexico vs malawi ray franz wrote about in his book "crisis of conscience:?

why leave any mention of professed neutrality out of their government filings?

may 18, 2025, 10:29 a.m.. court in odesa region rules that jehovah's witnesses' charter does not prohibit them from fighting.

The JWorg does not have standing in these countries to defend their own members. For purposes of tax and government funding they have chosen to have their religion represented by a local independent chapter, which for purposes of government benefits they wanted to register.

Registration with the state and state funding however comes with the requirement you do not oppose the state’s existence such as stating you would not fight for the “hand that feeds” was strategically left out. In Europe, where there is no freedom of religion, it is a privilege the state can deny. JW foolishly thought there would never be another European war before “the end”, their leadership wanted the money.

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The Governing Body is Restructuring the Org.and encouranging young ones to REACH OUT!

by liam in

the governing body just doesn't let up on encouraging the young children to reach out to do free labor for the organization.

so another generation of young people with ruined lives.

another generation of young people that will get old and wake up in their 50s to realize they were in a religious doomsday cult.. and they are getting rid of some old workers that ran the branches of the organization, and giving them different assignments or maybe they are just sending them home, who knows.

Anony Mous

I’ve heard similar stories. The special pioneer thing is just a stipend much like CO but less. A local congregation is supposed to pay for your housing and most other costs, the stipend was about $100/month back in the day for special pioneer, $300 for retired COs and maybe $500-1000 for COs depending on the area and whether they had a sponsoring congregation, if there was a sponsor that would be reduced.

Note you had to pay gas, clothes, food, rent etc from that, so really special pioneer despite considered full time had to get at least a part time job. COs could submit travel from congregation to home as an expense, but no more.

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NOT on JW.org Jehovah's Witness Doctor refuses Blood Transfusion for dying non-JW patientPregnant woman passes away mid-operation as Jehovah’s Witness doctor refuses blood transfusion

by Balaamsass2 in

5/10/25 this story from nigeria is a twist.

the doctor is the jw!.

pregnant woman passes away mid-operation as jehovah’s witness doctor refuses blood transfusion.

Anony Mous

Doctors train for all sorts of events. Power goes out in Western hospitals as well, all the time actually. Yes, they have generators but that takes seconds to minutes to kick in.

No license - how do you square that with your JW belief, your conscience was good with accepting money on false pretenses but not with giving blood to a “worldly person”?

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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze in

i don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.

the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.

they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.

Anony Mous

@Rattigan: it is only a paradox if you do not believe in things like an immortal soul. Judaism, and by extent, Christianity are faiths that have developed over literally 4-5000 years, likely longer, you can’t just redirect a core tenet in a single argument in a single thought from a single person over the past roughly 100 years. It’s all connected and has been refined so far, it is ‘true’ in the sense that everything around the faith, around our culture, our laws etc are imbued with the ‘fact’ that we have an immortal soul, disconnected from the body.

And yes, I’m not saying this is a scientific fact, I’m just saying this is a fact in how we organize our lives. If we did not believe as such, laws around life and death in general (murder, manslaughter, probate, abortion, euthanasia, suicide …) would look vastly different, Europe and Canada is going a very slight way into rejection of those tenets and as a result are ‘cheapening’ death in their laws, they promote euthanasia and abortion as collective cost savings, as a result murder becomes less punishable (on average ~10 years in jail with recent cases having gone as low as 2), probate law has become much less about individual families but more about societal benefits.

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Zechariah 12:10 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's a question for those who still support watchtower on this forum.

why did watchtower leave out the word "me" in zech.

zechariah 12:10 reads like this: .

Anony Mous

@Rattigan, so that would imply Jesus = Jehovah (God). Because John the baptizer is commonly accepted to be the preparation for Jesus. The Bible does specify "the Messiah" (Daniel 9, Isaiah) or "my son" (Psalm 2:7) in other places.

"Yahweh Our Righteousness," or "Jehovah Tsidkenu" (יהוה צדקנו), is a name of God that appears in Jeremiah 23:6 which is commonly interpreted to mean Jesus.

You can see the split in thoughts between the "Messiah = God" and "Messiah = son of God" in early writings and still to date, various Jewish groups do not share the same opinion, because you either have to accept the divinity of a Messiah (multiple gods) or a duality/trinity in a single God-person as most Christians and some Muslims groups do.

This idea is older than the Christian faith, it is a 'problem' in any monotheistic group to be able to attribute properties such as a mediator between god and man. Polytheistic religions solve this issue with multiple gods and demi-gods being the interlocutor.

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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze in

i don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.

the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.

they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.

Anony Mous

If you believe salvation is only offered to those that follow a certain set of tenets, then you are no better than the WTBTS.

Even Jesus taught salvation is based on good works, repentance and devotion, the Pauline doctrine of salvation through faith is just one way of doing the things Jesus asked (care for the widows and orphans, …)

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Former Jehovah's Witness sentenced for child sexual assault

by blondie in

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6/3/2025 former jehovah's witness sentenced for child sexual assault shaun sheffer, 47, of harmony was found guilty in january of three counts each of rape and indecent assault, including assault of a person less than 13 who had a mental disability.

he also was convicted of corruption of minors.... https://triblive.com/local/regional/former-jehovahs-witness-sentenced-for-child-sexual-assault/ .

Anony Mous

Seems like a monthly occurrence now to have one or two of these articles...

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Guess who's coming to dinner.. Elder and nosey wife!

by Witness 007 in

so my wife ran into a elder i new 10 years ago and invites him to dinner!!!!!

he arives and gives me a bear hug...love bombing!

he started talking about armegedon is really very very close.

Anony Mous

@blondie: nobody "carried away" the Jews. DNA evidence is quite clear, people with what we call Jewish origin have lived there for thousands of years in what the Romans called "Syria-Palestina". There is also an Arab and Christian population which has genetic roots. They are also called "Israelis" because they live in Israel and they ALSO have been displaced from Gaza and the West Bank for safety reasons.

The Romans themselves didn't keep the area until 1948. The so-called modern day Palestinians are genetically Jordanians, Egyptians and others from around that area in North Africa, they invaded in the early 20th century. Gaza and the West Bank was a concession to those people. Lebanon was a majority Christian country until the early 20th century, Syria was Alawite (Shia) Muslim and Druze, both countries have seen major populations of said religious groups moved into Israel, displaced from their own home countries since the late 19th century by surges of Sunni Muslims from modern day Iran, Egypt and Jordan (the latter two pushed out and massacred the "Palestinian" population because of integration issues). The Gazans/Palestinians are the ONLY group in the area that has not integrated into Israel. The Druze, Christians and Alawites all integrate perfectly fine in Israel.